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MessageSujet: Soy / Soya / Soja   Dim 11 Mai - 8:50

News du 12 mars 2008 :

Le soja ne donne pas le cancer du sein. Il s'agit d'une erreur. Le soja est soit sans risque, soit ayant un effet protecteur contre le cancer du sein.

La preuve dans cet article :
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18182974?ordinalpos=3&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

La confusion vient du terme "phytoeostregènes" employés pour décrire des composants contenus dans le soja. Les phytooestrogènes sont notoirement différents des oestrogènes et n'augmentent pas le cancer du sein, bien au contraire. Les études montrent que les végétaliens n'ont pas plus de cancer du sein que les autres. Si certains végétaliens veulent quand même arrêter de manger du soja (ce qui est fort déconseillé), c'est possible. En gros, il suffit de remplacer le soja par des céréales et des légumineuses. Il y a des personnes végétaliennes allergiques au soja et elles s'en sortent très bien. L'allergie au soja est une bonne raison d'arrêter mais le cancer du sein non. Le problème de l'alimentation végétalienne ne vient pas du soja. Il vient d'un manque quasi-inévitable de vitamine B12 à moyen terme.

Concrètement, voici ce qu'il est recommandé de faire.
Prendre les deux compléments suivants à vie :

1) VEG 1 qui contient entre autre de la vitamine B12 et quelques autres nutriments pouvant faire défaut chez les végétariens.
Il est possible de commander sur ce site :
http://www.vegansociety.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=239

Cela revient à environ 3 euros par mois, ce qui est raisonnable.

2) V-Pure : 3 capsules par jour à vie.

Ce sont des omégas 3 d'origine 100 % végétale, y compris la capsule. Ça a tendance à améliorer le fonctionnement cérébral. C'est relativement cher : 20 euros par mois mais, la santé c'est très important.
Il est possible de commander avec le lien suivant :

http://www.water4.net/

Un article on ne peut plus clair :

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/70/4/574
" No epidemiologic studies found an increased breast cancer risk associated with soy consumption. "

Actuellement, la question est de savoir si le soja est PROTECTEUR ou non contre le cancer du sein.
Il n'y a pas de données sérieuses permettant d'affirmer que c'est un facteur de risque.


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MessageSujet: Re: Soy / Soya / Soja   Ven 16 Avr - 8:49

January 02, 2008

Br J Cancer. 2008 Jan 15;98(1):9-14. Epub 2008 Jan 8.
Epidemiology of soy exposures and breast cancer risk.

Wu AH, Yu MC, Tseng CC, Pike MC.

Department of Preventive Medicine, Keck School of Medicine, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089-9175, USA. annawu@usc.edu
Abstract

Most of the early studies published on soy and breast cancer were not designed to test the effect of soy; the assessment of soy intake was usually crude and few potential confounders were considered in the analysis. In this review, we focused on studies with relatively complete assessment of dietary soy exposure in the targeted populations and appropriate consideration for potential confounders in the statistical analysis of study data. Meta-analysis of the 8 (1 cohort, 7 case-control) studies conducted in high-soy-consuming Asians show a significant trend of decreasing risk with increasing soy food intake. Compared to the lowest level of soy food intake (<or=5 mg isoflavones per day), risk was intermediate (OR=0.88, 95% confidence interval (CI)=0.78-0.98) among those with modest ( approximately 10 mg isoflavones per day) intake and lowest (OR=0.71, 95% CI=0.60-0.85) among those with high intake (>or=20 mg isoflavones per day). In contrast, soy intake was unrelated to breast cancer risk in studies conducted in the 11 low-soy-consuming Western populations whose average highest and lowest soy isoflavone intake levels were around 0.8 and 0.15 mg per day, respectively. Thus, the evidence to date, based largely on case-control studies, suggest that soy food intake in the amount consumed in Asian populations may have protective effects against breast cancer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18182974?ordinalpos=3&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
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MessageSujet: Re: Soy / Soya / Soja   Ven 16 Avr - 8:52

October 04, 1999

American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol. 70, No. 4, 574-57
American Society for Clinical Nutrition

Letters to the Editor

Soy, soy phytoestrogens (isoflavones), and breast cancer
Mark Messina

Nutrition Matters, Inc, 1543 Lincoln Street, Port Townsend, WA 98368, E-mail: markm@olympus.net

Dear Sir:

McMichael–Phillips et al (1) found that daily consumption (60 g) of a soy–protein product containing 45 mg isoflavones for 2 wk stimulated DNA synthesis in breast cells taken from biopsies of premenopausal women with benign and malignant breast disease. These findings suggest that soy may actually exert estrogenic rather than antiestrogenic effects on breast tissue. This is not the first human study to suggest such an effect. Petrakis et al (2) found that in premenopausal women, daily soy consumption for 4 mo was associated with an increase in breast nipple fluid aspirate secretion and breast cell hyperplasia. However, this study did not include a control group and fluid secretion increased in women even after soy feeding was discontinued. Nevertheless, both studies raise important questions about the effect of soy isoflavones on breast tissue.

The study by McMichael–Phillips et al is particularly noteworthy, assuming that the increased DNA synthesis reflects an increase in cell proliferation. Increased cell proliferation has traditionally been considered a marker for increased cancer risk. However, this notion was challenged recently, at least with regard to the colon (3). In addition, as discussed below, there is reason to question whether the increased breast cell proliferation in response to soy consumption should be interpreted in a unfavorable light.

In the assessment of cancer risk, cell proliferation is only one side of the equation, the other being apoptosis. Illustrative of the need to look at both sides of the equation is the finding that the nonsteroidal antiinflammatory drug sulindac enhances cell proliferation in 1,2–dimethylhydrazine–treated mouse colonic mucosa, but inhibits 1,2–dimethylhydrazine–induced colon tumors (4). Moorghen et al (4) suggest that sulindac inhibits carcinogenesis despite the increase in cell proliferation because proliferation in this case is a compensatory response to an even larger increase in apoptosis. Because genistein, the primary isoflavone in soybeans, causes apoptosis in breast cancer cells in vitro, perhaps a similar phenomenon occurs with soy in vivo as it does with sulindac. Consistent with this suggestion is recent research showing that soy isoflavones markedly inhibited transplantable murine bladder cancer; however, although cell proliferation decreased slightly, apoptosis increased as much as 2–3– fold (5).

As pointed out by McMichael–Phillips et al, the short–term nature of their study is an important consideration, especially because of a report showing that tamoxifen increased pS2 expres​sion(suggesting an estrogenic effect) in the breast tissue of breast cancer patients after 6 wk of administration but that this effect was reversed after 6 mo of treatment (6). Related to this finding is the finding that chronic exposure to isoflavones in vitro down–regulates the estrogen receptor. If down–regulation takes > 2 wk to occur in people eating soyfoods, any effect on cell proliferation would not have been detected by McMichael–Phillips et al. Similarly, the increase in follicular phase length in response to soy consumption that has been observed by some investigators would not be apparent after only 2 wk of soy feeding. Increasing follicular phase length could decrease breast cancer risk in the long term.

Although 2 recent studies failed to show an effect of soy on cycle length, soy was found recently to favorably affect estrogen metabolism in premenopausal women—increasing the urinary ratio of 2– to 16a–hydroxylated estrogens and of 2– to 4–hydrox–ylated estrogens (7). Again, this change in estrogen metabolism would likely not occur rapidly enough to affect cell proliferation after only 2 wk of soy feeding.

Overall, there are inconsistent data regarding the likely estrogenic and antiestrogenic effects of soy on breast tissue. In vitro studies suggest that the isoflavones are estrogenic, not antiestrogenic. Although partial and pure antiestrogens demonstrate antiestrogenic effects in vitro, in vitro systems are incomplete and may not permit an antiestrogenic effect of isoflavones to be observed. Studies involving intact adult animals have not shown that soy feeding increases chemically induced mammary cancer, rather, most show substantial cancer inhibition—generally a 50% reduction in tumor number has been observed.

On a more cautionary note, Hsieh et al (Cool found that dietary genistein stimulated the growth of MCF–7 cells implanted subcutaneously into ovariectomized nude mice, although growth stimulation was considerably less than that observed for 17ß–estradiol (Cool. However, there are concerns about whether results from this model can be extrapolated to either premenopausal or postmenopausal women. In contrast with the results of Hsieh et al, Shao et al (9), in a shortterm study, found that in intact mice given 17ß–estradiol subcutaneously, genistein markedly inhibited breast cancer cell growth in vivo.

The complexity of the findings for isoflavones, as shown by these studies (8, 9), was also illustrated by the findings of Foth and Cline (10) in ovariectomized cynomolgus monkeys. They found that in animals not given estradiol, soy feeding produced a nonsignificant increase in mammary cell proliferation but significantly antagonized the stimulatory effects of estradiol on mammary cell proliferation.

Finally, genistein exposure for just a few days during the neonatal and prepubertal periods has been shown to reduce chemically induced mammary cancer in rodents later in life. The proposed mechanism of action seems to involve an estrogenic effect of genistein on mammary tissue, resulting in enhanced mammary tissue development and differentiation. Thus, in young animals, an estrogenic effect of soy on breast tissue may result in a decreased breast cancer risk.

In conclusion, there are insufficient data on which to draw definitive conclusions about the effects of soy consumption on breast tissue in either pre– or postmenopausal women. Epidemiologic data show some support for a protective effect of soy against breast cancer (primarily premenopausal breast cancer) and, importantly, no epidemiologic studies found an increased breast cancer risk associated with soy consumption. However, it is not clear whether these epidemiologic data, which involved primarily Asian women, can be used to assess the effect of adult soy consumption on breast cancer risk in Western populations. The recent findings by McMichael–Phillips et al should serve as a stimulus for much needed research into the effects of soy on breast tissue.

REFERENCES

1. McMichael–Phillips DF, Harding C, Morton M, et al. Effects of soyprotein supplementation on epithelial proliferation in the histologi–cally normal human breast. Am J Clin Nutr 1998;68(suppl):1431S–5S.[Abstract]
2. Petrakis NL, Barnes S, King EB, et al. Stimulatory influence of soyprotein isolate on breast fluid secretion in pre– and postmenopausal women. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 1996;5:785–94.[Abstract]
3. Ahnen DJ, Byers T. Proliferation happens. JAMA 1998;280:1095–6.[Free Full Text]
4. Moorghen M, Orde M, Finney KJ, Appleton DR, Watson AJ. Sulin–dac enhances cell proliferation in DMH–treated mouse colonic mucosa. Cell Prolif 1998;31:59–70.[Medline]
5. Zhou JR, Mukherjee P, Gugger ET, Tanaka T, Blackburn GL, Clinton SK. Inhibition of murine bladder tumorigenesis by soy isoflavones via alterations in the cell cycle, apoptosis, and angiogenesis. Cancer Res 1998;58:5231–8.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
6. Willsher PW, Gee JMW, Blamey RW, Nicholson RJ, Robertson JFR. Changes in ER, PgR and pS2 protein during tamoxifen therapy for primary breast cancer. Breast Cancer Res Treat 1994;41:288 (abstr).
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8. Hsieh C-Y, Santell RC, Haslam SZ, Helferich WG. Estrogenic effects of genistein on the growth of estrogen receptor–positive human breast cancer (MCF-7) cells in vitro and in vivo. Cancer Res 1998;58:3833–8.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
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