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MessageSujet: Re: philosophy   Mar 24 Juin - 10:55

'Deep intellectual thought' is a special ability that needs to be cultivated and developed. It needs a place where creativity is valued and freedom of mind is secured. So basically I think everyone more or less has the potential of deep intellectual thought, and it is just like a seed silently covered in the soil. Sunlight, water and fertile land are vital for its growth. Without these core external elements the small seed stays still and will finally perish. It is the same with deep intellectual thought. Without a society which respects and gives momentum to those who like to explore their potential, we might never see those I-stuffs created by Jobs.If the society sneers at guys who immerse in their 'strange' work in a garage and discourages them, satirizes them as 'unorthodox'. No innovation will be made. Therefore, a breeding ground welcoming the finding of 'deep intellectual thought' is the point. Say...spurring innovation in an atmosphere of rote is like fishing in a desert. And that's why we never see a Chinese version of Steve Jobs or Bill Gates...
Craig Patterson 10+ 0
Oct 13 2011: Deep thinking is a function of a full belly and hope about the future. When they are removed, deep thinking is replaced by survival and our dinosaur brains. fight or fright.

I would like to ask a question. What evidence in society reflects deep thought? By society I mean all societies the world over. Can anyone point out examples of where 'deep thought' manifests as benefits to society?
Eun A Jo 10+ 0
Oct 12 2011: YES.
As long as you're relentlessly challenging yourself to further the "depth" of your knowledge, I believe you're a deserving intellectual and that is regardless of whether the society recognizes or not.
Gisela McKay 30+ +2
Oct 13 2011: But some people are just not built that way. They don't seem to have the need to question what is going on around them.

Deep thinking requires not only the mental faculty, but also the curiosity and drive to understand.

On the first requirement alone we can say that "no, not everyone is capable."

The question wasn't "is everyone capable of deeper thinking (than they are already doing, or than their cohort)" a relative term, it was about objectively deep thinking.
Frans Kellner 100+ 0
Oct 13 2011: Knowledge and thoughts are different things.
On the following clip up from 5 minutes you can see someone that has more knowledge than anyone but I doubt he has much deep thoughts.
Colleen Steen 500+ 0
Oct 13 2011: Thanks for that link Frans. I have seen videos of both Daniel and Kim before, and find it fascinating.
It appears that Kim has lots of information, and cannot connect the information with the thought process? While Daniel can connect some of the information with thoughts?
Jack Jiang 0
Oct 10 2011: Jobs is so smart that there will not be anyone who created the infromation changes in such markect. but it' a pretty bad things that he has just passed away , while his spirit will be encouragin today's us for the better creation.
Anthony Loke 0
Oct 10 2011: I believe everyone is capable of profound intellectual thought. There are many reasons why the majority of them are not heard. For example many do not share the same platform as Steve where every public thought that he articulates resounds through the world at lightning speed. Or could be simply that they are not articulated at all.
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Oct 9 2011: The 3 effective ways that I mentioned can described as improvement in conciousness part of the brain. For the other part, sub-conciousness, you just need to learn everything that interests you all the time, and don't stop. Many geniuses are obsessed in learning things that they are interested in all the time, so, their brains store a lot of useful information in many specific issues. The different between us and them is that their brains' conciousness part connect the information in many random possible ways at a time. It means we also can have our brain functioning like that, just by practicing thinking in many set forms. Don't waste time arguing, being right or wrong in the discussion doesn't make anyone genius. Wish all the bests!!!
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Oct 9 2011: People can access to that experience by 3 effective ways. 1, changing inputs of the thought process. 2, tracing back the tought process from expected results. 3, keep practicing. In details, 1, you can use different perspectives to think about problems you want to solve, or imagine that you solve the problems in different environments, or imagine that your problems are formed by differrent influences. In details, 2, you can trace back the thought process by asking yourself "why" as many times as you want (but don't lose your point or topic about the problem). In details, 3, keep practicing to make sure it's not just your flash of genius, just keep making your genius shine.

In addition, you before you try to solve some problems, be clear about what you do and just make a framework for your problem solving.
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Nature Methods 6, 773 - 781 (2009)

Getting inside their minds

Michael Eisenstein1

Neuroscientists are taking advantage of powerful new tools for fluorescence imaging that enable detailed visualization of the structure and activity of neuronal circuits within the living brain.

Although Bell Labs is probably best known for game-changing physical sciences breakthroughs such as the laser and the transistor, it has also given neuroscientists considerable cause for gratitude. It was there, in the early 1990s, that physicist Winfried Denk found the opportunity to collaborate with brain researchers on refining a powerful new technique for imaging based on excitation of fluorophores with focused, high-intensity pulses of long-wavelength laser light, which he had initially developed as a student with Watt Webb at Cornell University.

This approach, which Denk and Webb termed multiphoton or, more specifically, two-photon microscopy, offers a number of important advantages over confocal imaging for live-cell studies. The use of near-infrared beams rather than ultraviolet lasers allows deep sample penetration with reduced scattering and minimal cell damage. Furthermore, because imaging relies on the excitation of fluorophores via near-simultaneous stimulation with multiple low-energy photons, fluorescence emission is localized to a highly restricted focal area, making every detectable photon useful and eliminating the need to block out-of-focus fluorescence.

These features proved a tremendous boon for observing activity inside the highly scattering tissues of the brain, and Columbia University neuroscientist Rafael Yuste was an early convert. “Denk and I worked together for the summer in 1993, and we got the first data from imaging living neurons with two-photon [excitation] deep within brain slices,” he says. “Essentially, there was no going back after that.”

Getting inside their minds
Olympus America
Hiroaki Waki, Tomomi Nemoto and Junichi Nabekura of Japan's National Institutes of Natural Sciences have used their Olympus FluoView FV1000-MPE to image neurons as deep as 700 micrometers within the cerebral neocortex of mice.
Today, a growing number of essentially 'turnkey' commercial options for two-photon microscopy are helping to popularize a technology that was once the domain of do-it-yourself types, and Carl Zeiss, Olympus and Leica Microsystems are among the companies offering such platforms. “For neuroscience, I think that ultimately you'll see less and less confocal if you need depth of penetration,” says Dennis Donley, group manager for laser scanning confocal microscopes at Olympus America. According to Donley, this was a primary consideration in developing the FluoView FV1000-MPE multiphoton system. “Our philosophy from the beginning was to get the deepest image,” he says. “We wanted 700–800 microns down, and we've had customers go down to 1.1 millimeters.” Other key features include the capacities to detect signals on up to four channels and to incorporate multiple lasers for simultaneous excitation at different wavelengths or for combined stimulation-detection experiments.

This dual-scanning capacity is also a key feature of the LSM 7 MP, launched last fall by Carl Zeiss MicroImaging. Unlike the older LSM 710 NLO system, which combines both confocal and multiphoton imaging capabilities, the LSM 7 MP was purpose-built for two-photon microscopy and, more specifically, for in vivo imaging (see “Penetrating insights” below). “You can have up to five different channels for imaging,” says product manager Eva Simbürger. “And the scanner is designed for high transmission in that you get the laser to the sample and don't lose power. You don't want to lose energy you might need for the imaging process.”


One's microscope needs depend heavily on the experiments being performed, and both Olympus and Zeiss highlight their systems' flexibility. For those on the frontier of the field, however, pushing the limits of the technology still means gathering or designing lasers, detectors and other paraphernalia and building from the ground up. Yuste offers instructions on his laboratory website ( “It's bad, because our labs very often look like engineering workshops,” he says, “but it's good because the people who do the experiments know intimately well how every single piece of the machine works, and they can actually improve it to the advantage of the experiment.”

Built for speed
Some of the most exciting applications of two-photon microscopy involve observing neuronal circuits, which requires the capacity both to visualize ultrafine details of cellular morphology (see Box 1) and to monitor individual action potentials and track signal transmission across chains of cells. Although the former goal is essentially within reach, the latter can require serious acceleration of the scanning process.

The laser is typically raster scanned across the sample by galvanometers in a thorough—but potentially wasteful—manner. “The idea is that you want to get away from standard raster-scanning, line-by-line acquisition of images, and rather try to minimize background scan time and maximize scan time on the cells that you're interested in,” says Fritjof Helmchen, of the University of Zurich. To achieve this, Helmchen's team devised a smarter, trajectory-based scanning approach, in which the beam is moved along a user-defined three-dimensional path within the sample. “With this approach, we could measure from hundreds of cells within a volume with temporal resolution of 10 hertz,” he says.

Mechanical scanning systems are fundamentally constrained by inertia, and acousto-optical deflectors (AODs)—manufactured by companies like Isomet, IntraAction and AA Opto Electronic—can offer a smoother and faster alternative, in which laser positioning is modulated by a virtual diffraction grating established via propagation of high-frequency sound waves through a transparent material. The angle of light diffraction is governed by the sound-wave frequency and this, according to Baylor College of Medicine neuroscientist Peter Saggau, enables rapid and inertia-free beam movement. Saggau developed a system called random-access multiphoton (RAMP) microscopy that, like Helmchen's technique, allows users to pick multiple destinations in a sample for laser imaging or stimulation but that uses AODs to make the beam's three-dimensional 'tour' considerably quicker. “We can visit around 50,000 sites per second and can distribute them wherever we want,” says Saggau. “If we pick 50 sites on the dendrite of a single neuron or probe multiple neurons, we can scan 1,000 volumes per second.”

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Peter Saggau
Saggau's three-dimensional RAMP technique enables the tracking of rapid, spontaneous activity from multiple neurons within a brain volume.
At the same time, AODs can be unwieldy and require additional effort to minimize beam distortion. Another promising approach currently under development by Yuste and others involves spatial light modulators (SLMs), dynamic computer-controlled optical elements that enable precise patterning of light for scanless multisite imaging or stimulation. “The idea is to move to software the kinds of manipulations that you do with light in hardware,” explains Yuste. “We've built a little pocket microscope that literally fits into a shoebox and theoretically has the same capabilities as a giant laser-scanning microscope.” His early attempts were nearly too cutting edge—“We used to have significant problems getting technology into our labs because it was military grade,” he says—but commercialization by companies such as HOLOEYE Photonics is making SLMs more accessible.

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Rafael Yuste
Yuste's team uses neuronal image data collected via two-photon microscopy (left) to generate an SLM illumination pattern (right) that can be used to image or stimulate virtually anywhere on the cell in a scan-free manner.
Penetrating insights
Most two-photon neuroimaging studies examine living neurons within brain slices, but a growing number of researchers are finding success visualizing the brain directly through the skulls of living animals, via either a thinned cranial patch or an actual transparent 'window'.

According to Simbürger, the Zeiss LSM 7 MP was designed for such applications. “Intravital imaging typically requires anesthesia for the mouse, and you have to keep it warm or arrange it in a certain way to get access to the brain,” she says. “This requires a lot of space and accessibility to the system.” Instead of standard photomultiplier-tube detectors, the LSM 7 MP system can also be upgraded to incorporate gallium arsenide phosphide (GaAsP) detectors—originally developed by Hamamatsu—which offer both enhanced sensitivity and increased signal-to-noise ratio, features that can represent a boon to deep-tissue imaging by maximizing detection of scarce photons.

Getting inside their minds
Giorgio Ascoli and Kerry Brown
The NeuroMorpho repository contains a rapidly growing collection of three-dimensional neuron reconstructions, including this cerebellar climbing fiber (top) and hippocampal CA3 interneuron (bottom).
Standard two-photon microscopy can take you deep, but when Mark Schnitzer decided back in 1999 that he wanted to go deeper, he naturally turned to Bell Labs. “They had a wonderful neuroscience group—and since they were the phone company, they had a department of fiber optics,” he says. Today, Schnitzer's team at Stanford University has essentially pioneered the field of deep brain imaging via microendoscopy, using fiber-optic systems for epifluorescence and two-photon imaging deep inside the brain—even in active animals (see Box 2).

Developing appropriate optics was a serious challenge, and Schnitzer's work was greatly facilitated by the use of gradient refractive index (GRIN) lenses, such as those manufactured by GRINTECH. “We form a refractive index profile inside a glass rod,” says Bernhard Messerschmidt, the company's cofounder and chief technical officer. “It's a radial distribution of refractive index, and the nice thing about this is you can make lenses out of these glass rods that don't need curved surfaces any more to enable lens performance.” These lenses can be as tiny as 200 microns—perfect for fiber optics—and Schnitzer's team has achieved sufficient resolution to image individual hippocampal dendritic spines in anesthetized animals.

Researchers can also look to Mauna Kea Technologies, whose Cellvizio LAB is the only integrated platform currently on the market for endomicroscopic confocal imaging with cellular resolution. “Our probes are only one-third of a millimeter in diameter, to minimize invasiveness,” says chief scientific officer François Lacombe. “Any region of the mouse brain can be accessed and observed in vivo, even at a six-millimeter depth.” The system offers spatial resolution as low as 1.4 microns and can image a 600-micron-diameter field at 12 frames per second.

Seeing where the action is
Of course, none of these technologies would be effective without visual indicators of neuronal activity; fortunately, there are numerous well-characterized chemical calcium sensors that can provide rapid and specific readout of action potentials. “Every time a neuron fires, calcium channels open,” says Yuste. “It's essentially a universal method to detect action potentials.” Invitrogen, a division of Life Technologies Corporation, offers many of the most popular of these dyes, including Oregon Green 488 BAPTA-1 AM and Fluo-4 AM, two membrane-permeable compounds that exhibit increased fluorescence intensity upon binding free Ca2+.

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Carl Zeiss MicroImaging GmbH
The LSM 7 MP is Zeiss's first purpose-built multiphoton instrument, designed with intravital imaging applications in mind.
Chemical dyes lack cell-type specificity, but this can be an asset. “Dyes that are readily taken up by responsive neurons via multicell bolus loading are the ones that are enjoying the most success,” says Mike Ignatius, product manager for cell analysis essentials at Life Technologies. “You can fill a population of neurons and then use an electrode to stimulate at a distance and see the postsynaptic response.” These dyes can also be directly injected into cells, but this can be painstaking, and genetically encoded calcium indicators (GECIs) may offer a better alternative for labeling specific neuron subpopulations. A few commercial options are available, including Premo Cameleon from Invitrogen and Case12 from Evrogen, and GECIs are now an area of active development. “The use of functional proteins is something that's now really on the verge of working and, in my mind, will completely explode in the next years,” says Helmchen.

Getting inside their minds
Alessio Attardo
The fiber-optic microscopes developed by Schnitzer's team enable visualization of individual dendritic spines from a CA1 hippocampal pyramidal neuron in a live mouse. Scale bar, 5 μm.
At the same time, researchers in this field remain painfully aware of the need for direct measurement of action potentials. “Calcium is just the appetizer for the really big thing, which is imaging voltage,” says Yuste, “and to be completely honest, there's still nothing out there that compares even closely to the types of data and signal to noise we can obtain with calcium imaging.”

All together now
Each of these leaps represents a starting point for new progress. For instance, many researchers working with the current generation of dyes see their greatest potential in combination with other fluorescent tools; Ignatius specifically highlights examples pairing calcium indicators with signal transduction pathway–specific activity sensors. Meanwhile, others are exploring new imaging modalities as complements or alternatives to two-photon methods, including the use of second-harmonic generation to image membrane potential, or of structured illumination methods. Microscope manufacturers are likewise seeing opportunities for new systems based on relatively 'frontier' techniques such as super-resolution, as in Leica's TCS STED microscope, or label-free cellular imaging via coherent anti-Stokes Raman scattering (CARS), which Olympus will introduce in October as a module for the FV1000-MPE. Above all, the key will be to find ways to integrate these advances intelligently. “A lot has already happened in terms of progress. . . and now the challenge is to do it all together,” says Helmchen, “which sometimes sounds easier than it is!” See Table 1.

Table 1: Suppliers guide: companies ofering microscopes, microscope components and software

Table 1 - Suppliers guide: companies ofering microscopes, microscope components and software

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Michael Eisenstein is a freelance science journalist based in Brooklyn, New York
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MessageSujet: Re: philosophy   Dim 6 Juil - 11:47

Les chemins de l'intelligence

L'intelligence ne dépend pas de la génétique mais de l'aptitude à utiliser pleinement les possibilités de notre esprit.

L'important est la façon dont nous traitons et organisons les informations, dont nous interprétons nos expériences, et plus globalement, la façon dont nous nous représentons la réalité.

Voici donc quelques clés pour devenir "plus intelligent"...

Penser par soi-même
Ne pas faire son jugement en fonction de celui des autres, et ne pas prendre pour argent comptant ce qui est dit ou suggéré par les médias, la publicité, les responsables politiques. Faites usage de votre libre-arbitre et de votre discernement. Posez-vous toujours la question de savoir ce que VOUS pensez, en fonction de votre vision et de ce que vous ressentez réellement. Tout en étant simultanément ouvert et tolérant vis à vis des autres visions ou perceptions.

Celui dont l'esprit ne produit aucune pensée autonome et ne contient rien d'autre que ce qu'on y a déversé est pour ainsi dire "sans valeur ajoutée". Fonctionnellement, ce n'est qu'un "récipient".

Ecouter son intuition
L'hémisphère droit du cerveau possède des capacités intuitives qui sont complémentaires de l'intelligence rationnelle du cerveau gauche.

L'intuition résulte des synthèses d'informations qui s'effectuent de manière inconsciente dans le cerveau droit qui travaille de façon analogique et intuitive, tandis que le cerveau gauche travaille selon un mode logique et rationnel. Ces synthèses d'information intègrent l'ensemble des informations que nous enregistrons dans notre mémoire, y compris les perceptions que nous n'avons pas conscience de mémoriser mais qui sont malgré tout enregistrées par l'inconscient.

L'intuition est capable de prendre en compte une multitude d'éléments dont nous n'avons pas conscience. C'est pourquoi il est essentiel d'être à l'écoute de l'intuition et de suivre ses conseils.

Etre à l'écoute de l'intuition, c'est essayer d'écouter ce que l'on ressent profondément. Lorsque nous devons faire un choix, nous devons essayer d'être attentif aux sentiments et aux sensations que suscitent les différents choix possibles. S'agit-il d'un sentiment de bien-être ou de malaise? De légèreté ou de lourdeur?...

Etre à l'écoute de l'intuition, c'est aussi être en contact avec notre inconscient, car c'est de là que proviennent les perceptions intuitives. Pour cela, nous devons être un minimum en accord avec nous-mêmes et avec notre inconscient. Car si nous ne pouvons supporter ce qui s'y trouve, l'inconscient devient totalement inaccessible au conscient, afin que ce dernier ne puisse pas voir ce qu'il ne veut pas assumer.

Etre à l'écoute de l'intuition nécessite aussi un minimum de calme intérieur...

Passer du noir et blanc à la couleur
Beaucoup de personnes pensent en noir et blanc, c'est à dire de façon binaire: bien ou mal, vrai ou faux, 1 ou 0. Les conséquences du mode de pensée binaire sont le dualisme, l'absence de nuances, l'intolérance, et finalement la violence et les guerres.

Un progrès réalisé par de plus en plus de personnes consiste à penser en "niveaux de gris", c'est à dire à distinguer des nuances entre les opposés. Des nuances de gris apparaissent alors entre le noir et le blanc. Cela permet à la réflexion de devenir un peu plus subtile, et aussi, un peu plus proche de la vérité.

Mais l'idéal est de parvenir à voir la réalité EN COULEUR.

Il ne reste plus ensuite qu'à augmenter la précision de notre représentation de la réalité (la "résolution" de l'image), afin de percevoir le monde avec toutes ses nuances, sa complexité, et sa beauté.

Pour l'expérience complète en images, cliquer ici

Passer de la logique binaire à la logique tétravalente
Complément de l'intelligence intuitive, l'intelligence rationnelle est indispensable pour analyser certains problèmes. Elle fonctionne à la manière d'un logiciel, en analysant les informations selon une logique pré-définie. Le plus souvent, nous utilisons une logique binaire qui n'est capable d'envisager que 2 possibilités opposées (vrai ou faux, 1 ou 0, etc.) ce qui donne une vision simpliste et faussée de la réalité.

La logique binaire est un peu la version 1.0 du "logiciel système" de notre intelligence.

Une variante améliorée de la logique binaire est la logique tétravalente, qui est basée sur 4 possibilités. C'est la version 2.0 du "logiciel"...

Par exemple, dans le cas de 2 propositions contradictoires A et B:

la logique binaire envisage 2 cas:
1 - A est vrai, et B est faux
2 - B est vrai, et A est faux

la logique tétravalente envisage 4 cas:
1 - A est vrai, et B est faux
2 - B est vrai, et A est faux
3 - A et B sont faux tous les 2
4 - A et B sont vrais tous les 2 (chacun à leur manière, ou à des niveaux différents)

La logique tétravalente permet davantage de souplesse et de liberté d'esprit. Elle ouvre la voie au progrès suivant: la vision relativiste.

Adopter une vision relativiste

La vision relativiste amène à voir la réalité avec toutes ses nuances et sa subtilité. Elle va encore plus loin que la logique tétravalente, en envisageant un nombre illimité de cas possibles, et en évaluant chaque chose par rapport aux autres, et non en termes absolus. La même réalité peut être vue différemment, selon le point de vue de l'observateur...

C'est pourquoi nous devons essayer de voir les choses avec un point de vue extérieur à soi-même, et en regardant chaque situation sous plusieurs angles simultanément.

Un autre enseignement de la relativité concerne la causalité. Les humains ont souvent tendance à ramener les problèmes à une cause unique. Alors qu'en réalité, un problème a toujours de multiples causes, qui ont des degrés ou des niveaux d'influence différents. Certaines causes sont majoritaires et représentent 20 ou 30% de la causalité. D'autres causes, un peu plus nombreuses, "pèsent" entre 2 et 5%. Enfin, une myriade de "micro-causes" pèsent moins de 1%.

La carte n'est pas le territoire
La représentation que nous nous faisons de la réalité n'est pas la réalité elle-même. De même que la carte d'une ville n'est pas la ville elle-même.

Nous devons tenir compte du fait que la réalité est toujours plus complexe et plus riche que ne le suggère notre carte.

Ce principe a été rendu célèbre par Alfred Korzybski en 1933 dans ses travaux sur la "sémantique générale" et la logique non-aristotélicienne. En opposition avec Aristote pour qui le langage est un miroir fidèle de la réalité, Korzybski considère que le langage n'est pas la réalité mais une "carte verbale de la réalité". Ce principe est aussi illustré par Magritte dans son fameux tableau "Ceci n'est pas une pipe", pour montrer que l'image d'un objet n'est pas l'objet lui-même.

Penser en 4D
La plupart des humains pensent et voient le monde en 3 dimensions, les 3 dimensions d'espace de leur environnement. Pour réfléchir et agir, ils se basent sur une "représentation mentale" de la réalité qui est donc en 3D.

Penser en 4D, c'est ajouter une dimension supplémentaire: le TEMPS.

Ce qui distingue les grands stratèges (notamment en politique), c'est leur capacité à prendre en compte le temps, c'est à dire l'évolution des choses dans le temps.

Ainsi, ils peuvent concevoir des stratégies à long-terme, qui utilisent les effets du temps sur les situations et les personnes. C'est ce qui permet de concevoir des stratégies dont la plupart des éléments restent invisibles pour l'adversaire, car ils sont situés dans le futur.

Les stratégies conçues en 4D sont d'autant plus indétectables que leurs effets ne sont mesurables qu'à moyen ou long terme, mais ils sont alors inéluctables car ils ont modifié la structure de la situation en profondeur. (Les "Maîtres du Monde" sont experts dans ce domaine...)

Prendre du recul dans l'espace et dans le temps
Prendre du recul dans le temps, c'est prendre en compte le fait qu'à chaque époque, ce que la majorité croit être vrai, bon, ou indispensable peut être en réalité une erreur.

Au Moyen-Age, la majorité des gens croyaient que la Terre était plate ou que le Soleil tournait autour de la Terre, censée être au centre de l'Univers.

Au début du 20è siècle, la majorité des hommes croyaient indispensable de porter un chapeau, et la majorité des femmes croyaient indispensable de porter un corset.

Au début du 21è siècle, la majorité des humains croient que le but de la vie consiste à atteindre toujours plus de jouissance en consommant le "best of" des biens et services de la planète.

La société d'une époque doit être replacée dans son contexte global, celui de l'évolution humaine, et plus largement encore, celui de l'évolution de la vie sur Terre.

Au niveau personnel, l'instant présent doit être replacé dans la perspective du temps global de notre vie, et du fait que nous sommes mortels.

Il est aussi utile de prendre du recul dans l'espace. Cela consiste à élargir son champ de vision à partir du point d'observation où l'on se trouve. La société ou le pays auquel on appartient, la planète avec l'ensemble de ses peuples et de ses cultures, le système solaire, la galaxie, et finalement l'univers, et ses milliards d'autres mondes.
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MessageSujet: Re: philosophy   Dim 6 Juil - 11:56

very cool unfurtunately in french , all the subjetcs which itneret me it seems, new wolrd orde,r psychiatry, phylosophy, spirituality, metaphisics etc
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MessageSujet: Re: philosophy   Dim 6 Juil - 11:58

Thinking outside the box

Sans lever le crayon, comment relier les neuf points à l'aide de seulement quatre traits droits qui se touchent ?
Thinking outside the box signifie, en anglais américain, penser différemment, de façon non conventionnelle ou selon une perspective nouvelle. Fortement liée au « problème des neuf points » (qui consiste à relier, sans lever le crayon, les neuf points à l'aide de seulement quatre traits droits qui se touchent), l'expression qualifie une façon originale, créative et astucieuse de réfléchir. Cette approche est parfois qualifiée de pensée latérale.

Aux États-Unis en particulier, l'expression est régulièrement utilisée en 2008 dans les milieux d'affaires, le plus souvent par les consultants en management. Elle apparaît sous une forme ou une autre dans diverses publicités.

Sommaire [masquer]
1 Origine
2 Le « problème des neuf points »
3 Difficulté de résolution
4 Lien avec les méthodes de management
5 Culture
6 Références
7 Traductions de
8 Articles connexes
9 Liens externes
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Le Christopher Columbus's Egg Puzzle tel qu'il apparut dans Cyclopedia of Puzzles (1914) de Sam Loyd.

L'une des solutions possibles au casse-tête.
L'origine de l'expression est incertaine, mais serait liée au « problème des neuf points ».

Le « problème des neuf points »[modifier | modifier le code]
John Adair affirme avoir le premier proposé le problème des neuf points en 1969 pour inciter ses clients à penser différemment1. Le consultant en management Mike Vance a affirmé que l'usage du problème des neuf points dans les cercles de consultation provient de la culture d'entreprise de Walt Disney Company, où le casse-tête était couramment utilisé à une certaine époque2. Martin Kihn de Fast Company3 et The Mavens' Word of the Day publié par Random House4 affirment aussi que l'expression a été construite à partir d'un casse-tête appelé le « problème des neuf points ».

Le problème des neuf points existait avant l'expression. Il apparaît dans Cyclopedia of Puzzles (1914) de Sam Loyd5. En 1930, N. R. F. Maier s'est intéressé « à l’interprétation de l’énoncé du problème ainsi qu’à la perception qu’en a le sujet »6. Dans une compilation de casse-têtes parue en 1951, le problème des neuf points est attribué à Henry Dudeney7. Le lexicographe David Barnhart a rapporté qu'il a vu cette expression en 19758.

Sam Loyd a nommé ce casse-tête « Casse-tête de l’œuf de Christophe Colomb »trad 1,9. En dessinant le casse-tête en perspective plutôt que dans un plan euclidien, Loyd incite le lecteur à tracer deux longues lignes pour joindre deux colonnes contiguës, les œufs de la troisième colonne étant joints par un court trait et un autre trait perpendiculaire.

Difficulté de résolution[modifier | modifier le code]
Selon Kihn3, les consultants des années 1970 et des années 1980 ont tenté de montrer à leurs clients potentiels combien ils étaient peu astucieux en leur demandant de résoudre ce casse-tête. Le casse-tête se résout facilement si les lignes sont tracées en partie en dehors du carré imaginaire « défini » par les neuf points. L'expression thinking outside the box (littéralement « penser en dehors de la boîte ») était née. Le professeur Daniel Kies4 remarque que le casse-tête est difficile seulement parce que « nous imaginons une limite autour de la matrice de pointstrad 2 ».

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Cette proposition de penser différemment implique que des méthodes de résolution de problème non conventionnelles pourraient se substituer à des méthodes conventionnelles. Aux États-Unis, une mise à l'avant constante de cette méthode a peut-être diminué l'importance des méthodes conventionnelles, ce qui les rend novatrices10.

Vingt siècles de tradition[problème d'objectivité] nous ont conduits à nous enfermer dans un cercle magique, à l'intérieur duquel nous cherchons une solution qui ne peut exister. Nous reproduisons le schéma de nos enseignements. Nous nous imposons des contraintes qui nous empêchent d'aboutir. Dans cette configuration, on ne peut pas résoudre le problème. La propension naturelle du plus grand nombre est de rester dans le cadre, dans le cercle conventionnel. L'interdit, la prise de risque, la désobéissance sont vécus comme des peurs qui génèrent des blocages. La prise de recul, la distance par rapport à l'événement, la hauteur de vue, sont des facteurs importants dans l'exercice de la fonction de management11.

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Les publicités Think outside the Bun de Taco Bell est une référence indirecte à cette expression. Le fabricant d'automobiles Volvo a aussi utilisé cette expression dans ses publicités.

"Think outside the box", et apparaît notamment sur le teaser de son IIe Congrès National à Reims du 21 au 23 Octobre 201112, afin de mettre en avant sa façon de travailler : indépendant de tout dogme, ce sont les étudiants qui sont acteurs et maîtres du destin de leurs formations.
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MessageSujet: Re: philosophy   Dim 6 Juil - 11:59

Thinking outside the box
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For the album by Skream, see Outside the Box (Skream album).

The "nine dots" puzzle. The goal of the puzzle is to link all 9 dots using four straight lines or fewer, without lifting the pen and without tracing the same line more than once. One solution appears below.
Thinking outside the box (also thinking out of the box[1][2] or thinking beyond the box) is a metaphor that means to think differently, unconventionally, or from a new perspective. This phrase often refers to novel or creative thinking. The term is thought to derive from management consultants in the 1970s and 1980s challenging their clients to solve the "nine dots" puzzle, whose solution requires some lateral thinking.

The catchphrase, or cliché, has become widely used in business environments, especially by management consultants and executive coaches, and has been referenced in a number of advertising slogans. To think outside the box is to look farther and to try not thinking of the obvious things, but to try thinking beyond them.

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1 Analogy
2 Nine dots puzzle
3 Metaphor
4 See also
5 References
6 Further reading
7 External links
A simplified definition for paradigm is a habit of reasoning or a conceptual framework.

A simplified analogy is "the box" in the commonly used phrase "thinking outside the box". What is encompassed by the words "inside the box" is analogous with the current, and often unnoticed, assumptions about a situation. Creative thinking acknowledges and rejects the accepted paradigm to come up with new ideas.

Nine dots puzzle[edit]
The notion of something outside a perceived "box" is related to a traditional topographical puzzle called the nine dots puzzle.[3]

The origins of the phrase "thinking outside the box" are obscure; but it was popularized in part because of a nine-dot puzzle, which John Adair claims to have introduced in 1969.[4] Management consultant Mike Vance has claimed that the use of the nine-dot puzzle in consultancy circles stems from the corporate culture of the Walt Disney Company, where the puzzle was used in-house.[5]

Christopher Columbus's Egg Puzzle as it appeared in Sam Loyd's Cyclopedia of Puzzles.
The nine dots puzzle is much older than the slogan. It appears in Sam Loyd's 1914 Cyclopedia of Puzzles.[6] In the 1951 compilation The Puzzle-Mine: Puzzles Collected from the Works of the Late Henry Ernest Dudeney, the puzzle is attributed to Dudeney himself.[7] Sam Loyd's original formulation of the puzzle[8] entitled it as "Christopher Columbus's egg puzzle." This was an allusion to the story of Egg of Columbus.

One of many solutions to the puzzle at the beginning of this article is to go beyond the boundaries to link all dots in 4 straight lines.
The puzzle proposed an intellectual challenge—to connect the dots by drawing four straight, continuous lines that pass through each of the nine dots, and never lifting the pencil from the paper. The conundrum is easily resolved, but only by drawing the lines outside the confines of the square area defined by the nine dots themselves. The phrase "thinking outside the box" is a restatement of the solution strategy. The puzzle only seems difficult because people commonly imagine a boundary around the edge of the dot array.[9] The heart of the matter is the unspecified barrier that people typically perceive.

Ironically, telling people to "think outside the box" does not help them think outside the box, at least not with the 9-dot problem. [10] This is due to the distinction between procedural knowledge (implicit or tacit knowledge) and declarative knowledge (book knowledge). For example, a non-verbal cue such as drawing a square outside the 9 dots does allow people to solve the 9-dot problem better than average.[11] However, a very particular kind of verbalization did indeed allow people to solve the problem better than average. This is to speak in a non-judgmental, free association style. These were the instructions in a study that showed facilitation in solving the 9-dot problem:

While solving the problems you will be encouraged to think aloud. When thinking aloud you should do the following: Say whatever’s on your mind. Don’t hold back hunches, guesses, wild ideas, images, plans or goals. Speak as continuously as possible. Try to say something at least once every five seconds. Speak audibly. Watch for your voice dropping as you become involved. Don’t worry about complete sentences or eloquence. Don’t over explain or justify. Analyze no more than you would normally. Don’t elaborate on past events. Get into the pattern of saying what you’re thinking about now, not of thinking for a while and then describing your thoughts. Though the experimenter is present you are not talking to the experimenter. Instead, you are to perform this task as if you are talking aloud to yourself.[12]

The nine-dot problem is a well-defined problem. It has a clearly stated goal, and all necessary information to solve the problem is included (connect all of the dots using four straight lines). Furthermore, well-defined problems have a clear ending (you know when you have reached the solution). Although the solution is "outside the box" and not easy to see at first, once it has been found, it seems obvious. Other examples of well-defined problems are the Tower of Hanoi and the Rubik's Cube.

In contrast, characteristics of ill-defined problems are:

not clear what the question really is
not clear how to arrive at a solution
no idea what the solution looks like
An example of an ill-defined problem is "what is the essence of happiness?" The skills needed to solve this type of problem are the ability to reason and draw inferences, metacognition, and epistemic monitoring.

This flexible English phrase is a rhetorical trope with a range of variant applications.

The metaphorical "box" in the phrase "outside the box" may be married with something real and measurable — for example, perceived budgetary[13] or organizational[14] constraints in a Hollywood development project. Speculating beyond its restrictive confines the box can be both:

(a) positive— fostering creative leaps as in generating wild ideas (the conventional use of the term);[13] and
(b) negative— penetrating through to the "bottom of the box." James Bandrowski states that this could result in a frank and insightful re-appraisal of a situation, oneself, the organization, etc.
On the other hand, Bandrowski argues that the process of thinking "inside the box" need not be construed in a pejorative sense. It is crucial for accurately parsing and executing a variety of tasks — making decisions, analyzing data, and managing the progress of standard operating procedures, etc.

Hollywood screenwriter Ira Steven Behr appropriated this concept to inform plot and character in the context of a television series. Behr imagined a core character:

He is going to be "thinking outside the box," you know, and usually when we use that cliche, we think outside the box means a new thought. So we can situate ourselves back in the box, but in a somewhat better position.[14]
The phrase can be used as a shorthand way to describe speculation about what happens next in a multi-stage design thinking process.[14]
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MessageSujet: Re: philosophy   Dim 6 Juil - 12:00

How to Think 'Outside of the Box' Edited by Teresa, Iamanonymous, Puddy, Sockpuppet and 12 others No doubt you've heard the term to "think outside the box". Perhaps you've wondered what that meant in actual fact, or you know what it means but you're so firmly "inside the box" that you don't even notice that you're in the box. This article will attempt to show you some ways to do to escape the box and do some creative new thinking. Steps Think 'Outside of the Box' Step 1.jpg 1Be prepared for a big change. To re-educate yourself and the way you think is almost a "lifestyle" change. Basically, you're re-inventing the wheel and you are the wheel. Indications that it might be time to change your way of thinking include: You're in a rut, you know you're in a rut, and no matter what you try, you fall back into the rut. You can't come up with a solution to a nagging problem. Finally, someone else does and the answer was an incredibly obvious one; it happens a lot. Ad Think 'Outside of the Box' Step 2.jpg 2Learn the terms. If you're familiar with the terms, you'll be in a great position to do some research into out-of-the-box thinking. Some of the terminology for modes of "thinking outside of the box" are: Reframing Lateral thinking Process improvements. Think 'Outside of the Box' Step 3.jpg 3Understand that, for a given problem, some people tend to come up with the more "creative" solutions. The inability to do so does not reflect a person's intelligence.[1] What it does indicate is that people with such solutions are the ones who are more willing, or need, to push themselves out of their comfort zone to get the answers they seek. Those who think outside of the box are usually: Willing to take new perspectives toward day-to-day work. Capable of thinking differently with an open mind, thinking about the substance of issues, and being receptive to doing things differently. Focused on the value of finding new ideas and acting on them. Ready to strive to create value in newer ways. Capable of listening to, supporting, nurturing and respecting others when they come up with new ideas.[1] The driving force behind a lot of people who consistently think outside of the box is frustration. They don't feel that "enough" is being done, and that the "normal" way of thinking just isn't getting it done. Think 'Outside of the Box' Step 4.jpg 4Learn what inhibits your ability to change.[2] The following characteristics lessen your ability to make a positive change in your thinking methods: Negative attitude. Fear of failure, perfectionism. Executive stress, or other stress. Following rules, hidebound to black and white thinking (not flexible, unable to perceive the value in gray areas). Making assumptions – about others, about the world, about the expectations you feel weighing on you, about your own abilities. Over-reliance on logic, along with assuming you have an accurate grasp of what is logical. Think 'Outside of the Box' Step 5.jpg 5Challenge assumptions. Just because it has always been that way, doesn't mean that it has to continue to be that way. In fact, by expecting things to never change, you're setting yourself up for a lot of pain and unhappiness when things – and people – do change around you, without taking you along. Ways to challenge assumptions include: Ask questions. Don't ignore your questions; give them free rein. Stop jumping to hasty conclusions. Haste makes waste and can leave you in hot water. Reflect over things until the better answer arrives. Look at something a different way, literally. Perhaps you've been hammering out a new design for something at work. You've been looking at this design for weeks, always in the same position. Try shifting it. Turn the design upside down, or take it out into the sunshine under the trees, or project it into the ceiling and have all of your co-workers lie in the floor to observe it. You'll be amazed at what a position change can do for assumptions and perspective. Think 'Outside of the Box' Step 6.jpg 6Break free of dull routine. Doing the same thing, day in and day out, will dull even the smartest person's mind. Find ways of minimizing routine in your life, while still embracing ritual – the two approaches are very different in result. Ritual is about daily or regular activities that center you, keep you well (such as exercise or yoga), and give you a sense of place and identity. Routine is about the things that cause you to fall into a rut, respond without thinking, and that often feel imposed upon you from elsewhere. Change it up, occasionally. Do things differently. Instead of photocopying all the documents first thing in the morning, email them around to everyone and tell them the copier's broken. Next morning, email everything again, telling everyone how well yesterday went and that you've decided to do it like this from now on. Change your appearance and clothes. Many a rut is given a swift kick when you treat yourself to a new look. It's a start, and a really fun one at that. Walk a different way to work, catch a bus instead of driving, bring your lunch in instead of eating out (or vice versa), go home early for a change. Think 'Outside of the Box' Step 7.jpg 7Brainstorm. Brainstorming can do amazing things to help you think outside-the-box. Here are some suggestions to get you started: Think of vague keywords like "coffee" and follow whatever this leads to next in your mind, and take it as far as you can go; this can lead to interesting ideas. For example: "Coffee" -> "Milk" -> "Spilled" -> "Unspillable milk and coffee container". Do brain teasers, puzzles, psychometric tests, etc., and challenge your brain to new ways of doing and seeing things. If you hated math, English or science, try it again; this time make yourself do it well. Force your mind to think down different pathways. Learn a new language, a new way of keeping inventory, a new way to be a great boss or lover. Write poems. Poems can spark your creative thinking. Visualize work or home solutions through drawing pictures rather than writing things down. Think 'Outside of the Box' Step 8.jpg 8Think laterally. It can be really beneficial to learn about how people do it in other walks of life. Whether you're a CEO, an engineer, a stay-at-home mom, or a teacher, there are ways of thinking laterally that can benefit what you're doing. Read about processes and solutions in industries different from the one you're working in. Chances are there are some amazing answers for you to uncover and apply to your situation. The same goes for cross-disciplinary studies. Instead of staying within your own expertise, branch out and investigate what other disciplines are doing in areas or topics that interest you. There may be some surprising connections worth uncovering and adapting. Sit down and talk with others who know nothing about what you're doing but are willing listeners. Explain your situation and challenges and ask for their thoughts on solutions. Think 'Outside of the Box' Step 9.jpg 9Bring your child to work. There is nothing quite so re-energizing as the fresh, unwearied viewpoint of a child. It's not that your child is cleverer than you; it's just that your child is less worn down, more open to speaking their mind in a forthright manner, and usually unafraid to use what creativity they possess. Why not give your child a look at the situation or problem before you? Ask them what they'd do. And listen to their answer very carefully; take it to heart and use the freshness of perspective they bring to your thinking to help re-energize your outlook. Think 'Outside of the Box' Step 10 Version 2.jpg 10Take your vacations. They're not given to you for collecting and wearing around your neck like a martyr's cross. They're given to you so that you can go away and refresh your thinking, your body, your mind, your soul. The refreshed you is worth infinitely more to the company than the worn-out and irritable, frazzled, in-a-rut you. So if you must sell your soul to the company, at least see vacations as benefiting the company as much as you. Ad Add your own method Save Video This video explains how easy it is to be part of institutionalized thinking but also how easy it is to spot this thinking in an organization that has nothing to do with you. Tips Be willing to explore things that are out of your comfort zone. It's refreshing and you can find new interests and meet new people. Read something that isn't your usual genre. For example, if you think you hate crime fiction, why not try reading one? You might be pleasantly surprised; even if not, you've challenged your thinking processes. Be sure to read to the end! Read biographies to see how other people overcame ruts in their lives. Adapt their thinking solutions to your current situation. Explore faiths beyond your own. Try to find the similarities and connections. And aim to accept each for what it is. Ad Warnings Learning to change your style of thinking is not an easy process, or a quick one. Be patient. Enjoy the journey.
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MessageSujet: Re: philosophy   Mer 16 Juil - 16:03

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MessageSujet: Re: philosophy   Sam 26 Juil - 13:06

À bas la vision binaire!
Le sociologue Michel Dorais présentera une conférence sur la difficulté d’être soi-même quand on déroge à la règle établie en matière de sexualité
Par Renée Larochelle
Il n’y a que les hétérosexuels et les homosexuels dans la vie. Il y a aussi les bisexuels qui, comme leur nom l’indique, sont attirés vers les personnes des deux sexes. Les asexuels, eux, ne ressentent pas de désir ni d’attirance sexuelle pour une autre personne. Quant aux ambisexuels, leur sexualité n’est ni clairement homosexuelle ni nettement hétérosexuelle, à la frontière de deux univers. Sans parler des intersexués, dont les organes génitaux sont difficiles ou même impossibles à définir comme mâles ou femelles selon les critères habituels.

Bienvenue dans le monde merveilleux de la sexualité humaine où rien n’est jamais aussi simple qu’on le croit ou qu’on le voudrait.

Une conversation avec Michel Dorais, sociologue de la sexualité, suffit à s’en convaincre. «Dans notre société, on est soit un homme, soit une femme. On est hétéro ou homo. Tout se passe comme si, en dehors de ces identités, il n’y avait pas d’autres choix, d’autres modèles. De plus en plus de chercheurs remettent en question cette vision binaire du monde», explique-t-il.

Professeur à l’École de service social et auteur de nombreux ouvrages sur la sociologie des pratiques sexuelles, Michel Dorais prononcera une conférence sur le sujet le 5 février. Organisée par l’Association canadienne pour la santé mentale, la rencontre portera sur le défi d’être soi en ces temps où cela… ne va pas toujours de soi.

«Parfois, cela ne prend pas grand-chose pour se sentir différent, dit Michel Dorais. Dans une cour d’école, être un garçon aux manières un peu efféminées ou une fille à l’allure masculine peut s’avérer une expérience très difficile. Malgré les embûches, il faut se donner la permission d’être soi.»

À cet égard, la mission des adultes ne consiste pas à être des modèles mais bien des personnes inspirantes, bien dans leur peau et à l’aise avec leurs différences, le cas échéant. Être soi-même et s’aimer comme on est constituent le plus beau cadeau qu’on puisse faire à un ado, estime le sociologue.

Relever le défi d’être soi dans un monde où la différence est suspecte n’est pas simple. La difficulté ne se limite pas à l’identité sexuelle. Les magazines de mode regorgent d’articles invitant les jeunes filles (le plus souvent) à trouver leur «style», tout en les incitant à suivre les canons de beauté en vigueur. «On parle beaucoup d’hypersexualité chez les jeunes mais jamais du même phénomène chez les vieux, souligne Michel Dorais. On clame partout qu’on doit rester séduisant durant toute notre vie. Pourtant, être soi, c’est aussi accepter de vieillir avec ses rides. Des rides d’expression dans le visage, cela peut tout simplement vouloir dire qu’on a beaucoup ri dans notre existence!»

Être soi-même, c’est aussi ne pas se sentir dévalorisé parce qu’on n’est pas engagé dans une relation amoureuse. Dans les chansons ou dans les téléromans en vogue, le message transmis tient en cette phase: «Je ne suis rien sans toi». «Si tu n’as pas quelqu’un qui t’aime, c’est signe que tu ne vaux rien», résume Michel Dorais. Mais c’est d’abord en étant bien avec soi-même qu’on prend la chance d’être bien avec les autres. C’est aussi en cultivant notre différence et notre originalité qu’on prend la chance d’être attirant. Et ce, qu’on soit un homme ou une femme, homo ou hétéro, ou qu’on se trouve ailleurs dans l’infinie palette des couleurs identitaires.

Mardi 5 février, à 19h30, au Centre communautaire Lucien-Borne (100, chemin Sainte-Foy). Entrée libre.
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MessageSujet: Re: philosophy   Lun 28 Juil - 14:58

elle a pas franchement été gaté par la vie, elle mene une vie monotone, elle essaye de passer ses journée le plus agreablement posible en attendant la mort, une personne pas tres gai, **welcome to this life, killin time

dont worry caus this lifes over before you know

shes not normal, i envy her strange ways

i wach her spirit die

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MessageSujet: Re: philosophy   Lun 28 Juil - 16:18

i hope your whole family dies in the most horrible way and you are left alive. i am seriously going to take some time out of my day to wish that it happens. you piece of **** worthless sack of crap i wish natural selection will set things straight with you
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MessageSujet: Re: philosophy   Mar 29 Juil - 16:16

I used to feel turned off by having sex with my ex because of things that happened between him and I, and the resentment and anger I held against him made me feel somewhat like this about having sex, and of course the emotional detachment I felt from him.

sex is not the most important thing in a relationship, cause after all, what would you do if your partner could not have sex at all, you could not have sex, nobody could have sex, sex wasnt invented

you need to communicate with each other and let the other person know how you are feeling.

I hate to see sex as viewed as a duty. Hopefully there is a connection between a husband and wife that is stronger than that. If not, they shouldn't be married. Sex/desire/attraction between two people really is the glue that holds a marriage together. That being gone, trouble is ahead.

I also hate sex, for a long time I didn't realize that me never initiating or really really wanting to destroyed my relationships, so it was one relationship after another, always ending up them hating me but never really saying why. Sex has never been important to me and having a man inside me really grosses me out. I can't stand semen (the smell,look, or consistency on my skin) I could never just fall asleep without a shower. I don't feel like theres anything wrong with me for not liking sex., Its been the same with every guy. I love spending time, sharing like activities but I've never enjoyed sex. I've certainly tried to figure out what the big deal was and emotionally I never felt close, as a matter of fact I felt kind of hurt when every guy wanted to have sex even though I've said over and over. I don't like it or need it so why would they want to hurt me by engaging constantly in something that grossed me out. I have learned to be happy, unmarried and although I would love to date I am kind of afraid because I've been treated so mean just because I hate sex. I don't think I need any help but would like to know why guys are so mean when you don't want to have sex.. I think the adult thing to do would be to just walk away, I've found that there are plenty of women out there to have sex with, without trying to hurt someone just for not liking it.

You're right, there is nothing wrong with you. You are not mainstream but there is certainly nothing wrong with you. I suppose you have considered the fact that you might simply be asexual? If no, have a read of this and see if it sounds familiar:

I think you might find some valuable information on this website about dating.

Good luck!

There's nothing inherently dirty about sex, but if you try real hard and use your imagination you can overcome that.

I can totally relate to you acarroll74. I am 32 and have NEVER had any desire to have sex. Yes I did do it in my twenties, but never really enjoyed it. I am married now (yes he knew i did not like sex before he married me) and wish the subject could just never be brought up. I don't understand this 'expectancy' that's placed on everyone to LOVE sex. Really why? Why is it such a big deal? I am also tired of the world telling me that something is wrong with me just because I don't like sex. The only reason I am posting is to let you know that there are women out there that feel the way you do and wish society would not view us as weird or terrible mates just because we don't like one 'part' of the marriage union. It doesn' t make me a bad wife and it doesn't make you one either

I know this is an old post, but I just came across it while browsing the internet, and I wanted to say THANK YOU. Finally someone who isn't regarding asexuality as a disorder. I hate hate HATE how everywhere you look with regard to sexual aversion, you are spammed with warnings of divorce, advised to seek therapy, suggested that you have an abused history, or solicited to buy into some medical treatment for it. I don't think it's anything that needs treatment. I find sex absolutely repulsive, and I'm sick of these disgusting horny animals who go around humping everywhere trying to convince me that I'm the one who is wrong. I'm not wrong. I've done more with my life and lived with more honor than anyone I know, more than anyone giving me "advice" on how to improve my "condition." I found this page while searching for ways to deal with mismatched sex drive in a relationship, and EVERYTHING suggests ways to increase sex drive for the less interested partner, not the other way around. TO HELL WITH THAT. The more people try to push sex on me as the normal and right thing to do, the more averted I become to it. The way I see it, my lack of sex has never caused any problems for me in all my life. If it causes a problem for someone who wants to be in a relationship with me, then they can hit the road, because I've been down that road before. It only makes you grow to hate every day and dread every sexual request. It makes you resent the person who you otherwise enjoy and care deeply about. My advice is if you don't enjoy sex, don't have it, or you'll hate your life. If your partner cannot deal with it, then maybe it's better for both of you to realize you can't go on this way and be happy, and to amicably cut your losses and avoid such a situation in the future. Caroll, there is nothing wrong with you, and I hope your situation works out without you having to dread that bane of relationships.

there are also men who feel that way.

The important thing is to find someone who feels about sex the way you do. If you have a high drive, find someone who also has a high drive. If you don't like sex, find someone who also does not like it. If you and your partner match, you can have a very fulfilling relationship, with or without sex.

No, you don't have to have sex, but be aware that the vast, vast majority of men are going to expect sex out of a relationship. If you're posting a personals ad, put it out there right up front. If you start dating someone, tell them on the first date, before you even begin eating dinner or whatever the activity is. I can tell you I'd be supremely pissed off if I went on a bunch of dates with a woman, and she told me "By the way, I hate sex, but we can have a great relationship! And thanks for the free dinners!"

Whether you want to hear it or not, yes, there's something wrong with you. You are an abnormal individual. Reproduction is the point of life. For some reason, modern society has this obsession with telling everyone that they are OK and no matter what, they're normal.

Would I say the same about a person who doesn't want children? Yes, definitely. I'm one of them. I have no desire to ever have kids, mainly because I'm selfish and don't want to have to spend money on them. That's fine with me, because I found a woman who feels the same, and we're going to have fun being wrapped up in each other. If I had married a woman without telling her this, I'd be at fault, and I'd have no reason to get upset when she files for divorce.

OP, there is something wrong with you that can be fixed, unlike those who have posted who have never liked sex. To those people, there's something wrong with you, but it most likely cannot be fixed.

Remember, there's nothing wrong with being abnormal. You just have to associate with other abnormals.

that they dont care for sex ( no le gusta

First of all, sex has nothing to do with Love or has to do with a physical want and desire. Its a craving so to speak. How many people would have sex if they weren't aroused? NONE! Except for the women who just give in for the sake of their marriage.

Second of all, I am one of probably very few women who is self aware enough to see it from both sides. I have always been able to take others thoughts and feelings into consideration.

That being said...I see both the man and womans point of view.

I agree that a woman should not enter into a relationship with a man if she knows that she can not or will not meet his sexual needs. It is deceiving and selfish. If you don't want it, no one will hold that against you but you have to expect to be alone then because 98% of men LOVE SEX.

There is the other side of me that sees the womans side. Whether its some twisted sick joke of nature or an imbalance in our body, we are able to seperate love and sex. And we are able to love just as deeply without it.

The old saying, "men give love for sex and women give sex for love," bares witness to the fact that sex is not really about love at all, but rather a means to get what we want.

Im not saying that sex is not an important part of a healthy relationship but its certainly not the be all end all. There is money, kids, jobs, hobbies and most importantly...communication.

There are more people wanting sex then not. Especially when it comes to men. I do agree with everything Anon_16867 said. But at the same time, I see where acarroll74's is comming from too. This leads to an impass. You see, women want companionship as much as men love sex. So what are we to do? And what happens if we do try to "fix" it and alas, to no avail we achieve no results? Are we to remain without a mate as he is to remain without sex? Unfortunately, I am no expert. I am not omnipotent. I don't have any difinitive advise. I do know that as much as men want it, some women just don't, and it seems rather unfair that we have to bend to their needs and not the other way around, but then, no one said life is fair.

Maybe the medical community needs to wake up and realize that it is not the men that needs help with ED so much as it is the women need help with SD. The problem is more prevalent then most people would think and it kills me that we are hopping men up on all these sex drugs and then sending them home to their dysfunctional wives! Are they trying to ruin marriages? Are they trying to make women feel inadequate?

I confess that I am one of those women that has lost her desire....many many years ago. ( 22 years ago, to be exact, and I am only 38 yrs old, so you do the math.) The difference is though, I have a desire to want to have sex, where as these ladies don't. Maybe we should just crawl back under the prepubescent rock we crawled out from under and embrace a life of lonliness. What ever the sure isn't looking good for the home team any time in the immediate future.
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I always hated it too and am probably older than you. Just turned 50. Your story is mine. Only I realized I was different younger. But my poor ex-husband as well. People (friends kept telling me I was weird). At 26 ONE friend suggested a psychiatrist because I JUST was NOT NORMAL. Well IAM NORMAL! Sex is not the be all and end all of life. TV says otherwise because ALOT of me make the final decisions and it gets rating. Frankly...I like to admire beauty, who doesn't? It does NOT mean I ever wanted to jump on ONE single one of them. I had so many gay male friends I got the reputation of fag_hag. First I was offended. Then I dated women thinking THAT was my problem. But it wasn't! Yes! Women ARE WAY more romantic and dealable but I still dreaded it eventually even with them. Eventually I gave up. I am HAPPY not having to lick and gyrate all over someone and moan and PRETEND it's great. What a freeing experience. Thankfully I have so many hobbies and friens I never miss having a partner, And I NEVER will......
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MessageSujet: Re: philosophy   Mar 29 Juil - 16:43

I completely disagree, you and Carroll's relationships are destined for failure if you don't have a man that feels the way you do about sex. What's with you all? The world, society, and books are asking you to have sex, your spouse is, and YOU chose that person regardless if he knew or not, if it was that important you should have found some more appropriate for your sex drive.

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there's nothing wrong with Carroll, but you have the better idea, DON'T BE UNEVENLY YOLKED. 7 billion people on this earth are proof sex is the norm, so you ARE different. BUT THAT'S OK! Just don't marry someone that needs sex.

Here's a repost of a site that some of you might find useful:

There are articles, reports, blogs, forums, personals ... There are others out there like you.

I find the overview they give to be particularly interesting:

As An_244798 said, don't be unevenly yoked. It's a recipe for unhappiness for both partners.

I write this as kindly as possible, from both personal experience, and experience as a therapist. In my opinion (for what it's worth), the amount of people who hate sex is undoubtedly in the millions. If you talk to your friends, women especially, many of them do not enjoy sex much, if at all. Everyone seems to think that the world at large is having amazing sex; they're not!

There are many possible reasons behind this: firstly, a lot of men clumsily stumble around in the bedroom, copying what they have seen on internet porn sites, which generally does absolutely nothing for their partner. Women, having also watched porn or being led by their partner, believe that they ought to be enjoying this type of sex, therefore fake their way through the whole thing, believing that the feelings they are experiencing is somehow normal and fulfilling. Once they get a bit older, they begin to realise that they are not really enjoying sex and get sick of pretending, so put off doing it. It's important that people realise that porn is actually actors role playing sexual abuse, which somehow has become misconstrued as 'normal'. Rarely does a porn film empower a women and show lots of kissing and respect, with loads of loving foreplay. Porn has a lot to answer for, and not in a good way.

Contrary to popular misconception, women are not generally aroused by a bit of boob grabbing, clitoris rubbing then penetration. Women are generally aroused by what happens BEFORE all of that; by what happens in the mind, not the groin.

I have dealt with many clients who really suffer sexual dysfunction and cannot enjoy sex no matter what they do. I would ask you to consider this: if you have had a healthy sexual upbringing, feel comfortable with your body and have had no negative sexual experiences, the millions of nerve endings in your genitals will generally fire naturally when you are aroused through intimate touching and kissing. If this doesn't happen and you instead feel indifferent, angry, guilty or start to drift into your own world, it is highly possible that you have experienced something in your life relating to sex that you haven't resolved and may need to visit sensitively through therapy. I would advise anyone who hates sex to enter therapy, as even basic stress and mild depression can have a huge impact on libido.

For the record, sex is a two-way street and if you are experiencing problems, you owe it to yourself and your partner to tell them in order that you can put it right. If you had a broken leg, you would be stupid to hobble around for years without getting help. Your sexuality is just as much a part of your health as your body; therefore if sex is not a pleasant experience, there is something causing it. A trained psychotherapist will help you sort it out.

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MessageSujet: Re: philosophy   Mar 29 Juil - 16:48

a sexless marriage

you can have an annulment of your marriage if it is never consummated.

I'm like you and actually a great many women who reach menopause and don't care if they ever have sex again. I love my husband but, for me, sex doesn't make me feel closer to him. It makes me feel sad, lonely, and resentful. I actually feel no physical pleasure and almost feel like a bystander when it's happening.

Why are hormonal fluctuations not accepted as part of a natural process that women (and men) go through? If it was turned the other way around and men's libido's declined as a natural part of aging and hormone changes, there would hundreds of medications on the market to decrease women's sex drives so that they would stop pestering men to have sex. It would be seen as "normal" to have less sex as you age and all the oversexed wives would be the ones that needed to be treated with medication and guilt to decrease their sex drives.

After the adolescent surge of hormones that make both women and men horny as rabbits, things start to settle down until the child-bearing years are over. It's sex hormones that make people horny and it's decreasing sex hormones that make women lose interest in sex as they age.

That being said, I am actually on medication to try to improve my sex drive. The side effects of this medication are heart palpitations, hyperactivity, chest pain, and potential stroke, oh, and heart attack!. Despite being on this medication for a month, I still couldn't care less if I ever have sex. In fact, I feel more irritated than ever and am feeling resentful that I need to go to such extreme means to change myself when I think what I'm experiencing is a natural part of female aging.

Just to clarify, my husband didn't ask me to go on medication. I did this for him, but it's not working and I'm terrified I'm going to die of a heart attack instead. Something is wrong with a society that makes women feel so guilty about something that is a normal and natural part of aging. That would make them feel as though they need to risk side effects like death in order to change who they are to match what society tells them they should be. Young, sexy, horny and available at all times...until they aren't any more and then they should be discarded.

I also think it's strange that men would medicate themselves to keep them having more sex (i.e. Viagra) when it's probably just their bodies telling them it's time to slow down. How do these men's wives feel? Of course, nobody cares about that because they're just the wives and it's their duty to have sex. These same men would probably NEVER consider taking medication to decrease their sex drives to more closely match their wives??

I find the whole thing bizarre and frustrating. So acarroll74, I understand where you're coming from. I don't know the answer. I think the popular opinion is that we just need to grin and bear it (and be good actors while we're at it) or have our husbands divorce us and break up what is, otherwise, a happy family. Ultimately, it comes down to male sexual satisfaction and it is our job to figure out a way to get with the program, enjoy it, or figure out a way to fake enjoying it before we get dumped.

By the way, we've been to marriage therapists, etc. This is not about unresolved issues in the marriage. The issue is sex, period.
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MessageSujet: Re: philosophy   Jeu 31 Juil - 16:19

gracias por esas ensenanchas que dia con dia engrandecen el conocimiento para quien las pone en practica

Solo necesitas tu aprobación, tu comprensión y tu admiración para sentirte satisfecho con lo que eres!!

"Entendiendo los valores, su importancia"
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Entendiendo los valores, su importancia

Según el libro comportamiento organizacional de Stiphen Robbins, valores los define como: convicciones básicas de un modelo peculiar de conducirse o de estado final de la existencia en una determinada cultura o sociedad.

Los valores de una persona radican o nacen de la cultura donde pertenecemos, la educación que recibimos de nuestra familia e instituciones de educación y las personas con las que nos relacionamos en la sociedad donde crecemos. Aunque encontramos personas que tienen un comportamiento diferente a lo aprendido en su desarrollo y contradictorio a los valores que se perciben en determinada sociedad. Es por esta razón que estamos de acuerdo en la definición de Stiphen Robbins “convicciones básicas de un modelo peculiar de conducirse” modelo peculiar es decir diferente en cada ser humano.

Los valores entonces garantizan el buen comportamiento, las relaciones entre individuos, el equilibrio personal y social. A diferencia de los animales tenemos una escala de valores que aseguran una convivencia y armonía, con esta escala buscamos un ideal personal, este ideal es cuestionado por la sociedad aunque los valores que conforman esta escala son evaluados individualmente para ver si concuerdan con nuestro ideal. Los animales aun que también tienen un comportamiento y se supone que este comportamiento es producto de unos valores arraigados a ellos es un comportamiento intuitivo y de supervivencia. Por lo tanto somos seres superiores capaces de discernir entre lo bueno y lo malo, y a lo bueno darle forma, contenido, definición etc. A lo que llamamos valores.

Los valores aun que son normativos porque de alguna forma regulan la moral y el buen comportamiento, no están escritos, no son regulados, no existe una ley que exprese una lista de valores los cuales deben ser utilizados en la vida diaria y de no ser utilizados haya una represión a esa persona que no cumplió con las reglas. Esta puede ser una de las razones por las que surgen anti valores y con ellos nos comportamos de forma contradictoria a el buen juicio de la sociedad es por tal razón que aparecen y se crean conflictos en la sociedad.

Sabemos entonces que existen valores que rigen nuestro actuar, que rigen el buen comportamiento, que son de vital importancia para la especie humana, luego con ellos tenemos los cimientos para comprender las actitudes y motivación de nuestra percepción y comportamiento en una sociedad, grupo u organización, es aquí donde creemos que radica la verdadera importancia de los valores, comprender las actitudes y motivación de nuestra percepción y el comportamiento.
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MessageSujet: Re: philosophy   Lun 4 Aoû - 16:26

il a des tas de chose dans la tete

je veux construrie quelque chose de bien dans la vie

il a eu des mot extremement pejoratif a ton sujet ( va te faire voir

une réputation de sage

ces deux coté de sa personaité cohabite harmonieusement, les deux se completemtne tsequilibrent a meveille

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MessageSujet: Re: philosophy   Lun 29 Sep - 16:23

Everything is awful and life sucks

You are 100-percent equipped and infinitely prepared to handle everything that shows up in your life.

life sucks a hundred percent i invented that

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MessageSujet: Re: philosophy   Lun 29 Sep - 16:30

i ahte evtyign in this word, everyone,

8 Things That Only Truly Miserable People Do

8 Things That Only Truly Miserable People Do
WELLNESS • PAUL HUDSON • MAR 25, 2014 - 12:55PM
Would you say some people or most people are miserable? It’s hard to tell these days. With all the fake drama everyone seems to be indulging in, one has a difficult time telling whether or not people hate their lives as much as they say they do, or if they are simply reenacting an episode from the “Jersey Shore.”

Miserable people do exist, but I would like to believe there aren’t as many miserable people out there as there would seem to be.

With everyone complaining all over social media outlets all the time, you could only conclude that everyone in the whole world hates their lives. But this can’t be true…

There are a few signs that are dead giveaways, however. Here are eight of them:

1. They manage to find the worst in everything – always finding the down side.
A miserable person is miserable because the way he or she views the world is miserable. Their thought processes have been molded to always see the worst of every situation, the worst of every person, and the worst of any possible future scenario.

They manage to find the bad in any good you throw their way. Miserable people will point out the bad in any situation simply for the sake of glooming down the party — not that they would be at a party… miserable people tend to avoid those.

2. They hate their friends.
Misery loves company, but a company of miserable bastards doesn’t necessarily like one another very much. Miserable individuals seem to make “friends” with other miserable individuals.

I’m not sure whether they find themselves friends who already happen to be miserable or if they turn their joyful friends into miserable shrews, but those who hang out with miserable people tend to be pretty miserable themselves.

I mean, why the hell else would they put up with someone so unhappy? Not even quietly unhappy, but loudly unhappy.

Miserable people like to make sure you know they’re miserable. For this reason, it seems that only miserable people are capable of putting up with other miserable people. It’s almost like a cult.

3. They spend as much time as possible distracting themselves from reality.
Their lives suck. Well, they believe their lives suck. And because they believe their lives suck, they do their best to distract themselves from it as often and for as long as possible. They drink. They do drugs. T

hey indulge in other indulgences like reading, watching movies, watching TV for hours on end… Pick your poison. The problem is, they are trying to get away from something they can’t get away from.

Reality isn’t a choice; it’s a state of existence. You exist and function within reality whether you like it or not. Trying to get away from it will only make you more miserable.

4. The first thing they do every morning is get pissed off about having to get up.
We all have those days we don’t want to get out of bed. The miserable person, on the other hand, wakes up every day with that thought process.

When you don’t like your life, you aren’t especially thrilled to wake up and live it. The problem is, starting your day dreading the following hours only makes things worse.

Going from a miserable person to a happy one has to start in the moment you wake up. Start happy, and staying happy will be easier.

5. They give lip to whomever, whenever the opportunity arises.
Miserable people don’t really like people. They don’t like themselves very much, so you can’t expect them to like anyone else, either. For this reason, they like to give attitude to those they meet.

This is something you will see clearly in a bigger city, like New York. Miserable people will do their best to overreact or react inappropriately whenever they feel someone is annoying them.

This could be something as little as being bumped into on the train. They seem to have a switch that flips every time they get annoyed, which happens to be very often. Miserable people have no issue with being rude.

6. They like to point out flaws in others.
Miserable people like to bring others down to their level, usually by pointing out everything they find wrong or unappealing about a person. They will briskly point out your insecurities and pretend like they didn’t know what they were doing.

But they did know what they were doing. They wanted to see your reaction, to see if your mood could be worsened in order to be up to par with theirs.

Miserable people like to make themselves believe the world really is as ugly as they see it, so they go pointing out the flaws and waiting for someone to agree with them, reaffirming their beliefs that what they are looking at really is as ugly and awful as they believe it to be.

7. They don’t like themselves very much, but still think they’re better than the rest of the world.
Miserable people are miserable, first and foremost, because they don’t like themselves very much. It may not even be all of them; it could just be one aspect of them that they find flawed that is weighing heavily on their minds.

The flaws they see may not even really exist, but they believe they do and that’s enough for them. They don’t like themselves very much, but their egos still force them to hold themselves in the highest regard.

What does this result in? Their belief that even though they may be a piece of sh*t, they’re the best piece of sh*t on the planet. They may suck, but they believe everyone else sucks more.

8. They believe those who are happy must be ignorant, yet are still jealous they can’t be as happy themselves.
Ignorance is bliss and bliss is happiness. Well… not exactly. Being ignorant may make you happy, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that you can’t be happy if you’re not ignorant.

Miserable people would do much better trying to figure out how it is that happy people can be as happy as they are, instead of telling them they shouldn’t be happy – that if they were smarter, more intelligent, they would be just as miserable as they.

Maybe those people know something that the miserable person doesn’t. Being miserable is fixable, but only if you believe someone out there has it right – even if you yourself don’t.
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6 de septiembre a la(s) 8:05 ·
Tener un hijo es lo más importante que te puede pasar en la vida, nada, absolutamente nada se le iguala. Estas imágenes capturan esa conexión mágica entre padres e hijos.

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Omaira Villaño Valencia Perdón pero, pasa algo si no se tienen hijos?
42 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 8:22
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Aisha Si G. Namaste No, tener un hijo no es lo más importante que te puede pasar, lo más importante que te puede pasar es ser feliz. Y nada tampoco se iguala a la libertad de no tener hijos.
30 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 10:45
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Li Mariposa Tener un hijo, es una de las cosas más importantes que (solo a veces) puedes decidir que te pasen en la vida. Es una experiencia única, como lo son el resto de cosas importantes de nuestro recorrido vital (no caben comparaciones sobre si algo se le igu...Ver más
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Mat GF Pudieron encontrar mejores fotos... 😐
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Marylin Ticay de Forbes Evidentemente este es un artículo pensado en quienes tienen hijos, no sé porqué se ofenden tanto algunas personas, lo que el artículo quiere decir es que una vez que tienes hijos no hay nada más que iguale esta experiencia, ¿qué otra responsabilidad pu...Ver más
10 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 18:36

Ivette Guilbert Ayala Manipuladores! No es obligatorio tenerlos. Cada quién decide qué hacer con su vida. Los que decidimos No tenerlos también podemos ser muy felices.
9 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 11:16

Eli H Pasolini no se esta diciendo que te tengas hijos, pero es una experiencia fuerte
1 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 15:21

Tita Millan Ruiz de Chavez Bueno no es lo mas importante en esta vida tener hijos. Hay quien los tiene y vive un infierno con ellos o no les dan el amor y respeto que merecen. Otros son muy felices y ejemplares padres. Yo decidi no tener hijos y soy feliz!!! Tengo muchas cosas que me dan felicidad y alegran dia a dia mi vida.
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Josefa Cruz Diaz Yo no soy madre, pero he dedicado mi vida al cuidado de mis 2 padres y eso es excepcional, como haber parido. Quien en esta tierra me puede decir q es mas grande ?
6 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 11:04

Jorgelina Testoni creo que no es lo mismo josefa yo también dedique de lleno mi vida a mis padre hasta que murieron y sabia que sacrificaba muchas cosas con eso no estoy arrepentida para nada solo que ahora las aria de forma diferente
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Mary Oñate C Pudo haber una mejor foto de México que con un fondo de Tecate.
6 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 8:49
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Lucy Avila Yo , aunque tengo 4 , pienso que no es lo más importante en ésta vida, esa idea nos la han inculcado la sociedad y las religiones , pienso que lo más importante en la vida es ser feliz y BUENA PERSONA , de hecho pienso que deberían haber millones de ni...Ver más
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Vanesa Valladares Reátegui y mi carrera? y mis metas? o sea que mi vida no importa nada si no tengo hijos? que taradez ._.
4 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 16:40

Angélica Ramos Yo no se si tenga hijos pero imagino que debe ser una experiencia muy bella, aunque si una persona finalmente decide no tenerlos, no significa que los desprecie o no le gusten, sencillamente hay que tratar de planificar el hecho de traer un niño al mun...Ver más
3 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 15:34

Emil Kisaragi Hay padres que matan a sus hijos o les arruinan la vida para siempre...asi q no creo que tener un hijo sea lo mas maravilloso en el mundo. Al menos no para todos..En mi caso cero interes en tener hijos y no por eso soy una infeliz ...yo me siento plena y no necesito un hijo para eso.
2 · 7 de septiembre a la(s) 10:40 · Editado

Jorgelina Testoni Yo no tengo hijos y creo ya no los voy a tener pero si creo que es una de las cosas mas maravillosas que te pueden pasar en la vida a veces no es decisión de uno no tenerlos y si decides no tenerlos tampoco esta mal no tenemos porque pensar igual
2 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 15:36

Carlos Franceline Yo tengo una hija. Soy yo misma: tengo que cuidar de mi, llevar una vida saludable, amarme. Vestirme y superarme ... No necesito de más para ser feliz ...
2 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 13:35

Omaira Villaño Valencia Teresa de Calcuta amó infinitamente.
Solo hago una pregunta respetable, el artículo no me molesta.
2 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 12:18

Roberto Mejia Necesito corregir esto....

PARA ALGUNOS, Tener un hijo es lo más importante que te puede pasar en la vida............Ver más
2 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 10:54

Omaira Villaño Valencia Totalmente de acuerdo Ariadna. Me gustaría ser madre, pero si no puedo seré otras cosas
2 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 10:41

Claudia Antonella Encuentro que estas fotos, no salen de lo común.
2 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 9:58

Gabriela Elizabeth Tengo gatos Ellos son mis vedaderos hijos.
2 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 9:56
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Ro Gardeñes Pensé en ustedes dos: Florencia y Erica, aunque no se conozcan me vinieron a la mente porque veo el amor por sus criaturas constantemente
2 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 8:24

Nibia Préchac No estoy de acuerdo con esta generalización, es discriminatoria para quienes no pueden tener hijos propios y sin embargo hay excelentes padres y madres del corazón!
4 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 11:15

Eli H Pasolini aparecen tambien fotos de padres adoptivos
6 de septiembre a la(s) 15:24

Viridiana Anayt Gutierrez Guadarrama Luis Luna si ... es algo increible ... los amo mmucho ... ♡♡
1 · 7 de septiembre a la(s) 15:03

Irma LaBoy Esa es una desicion muy personal, todo mundo tiene derecho de hacer lo que les dice su corazon, yo lo respeto.
1 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 17:32

Helena Afrodita M G Marta Barajas Peña
1 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 16:38

Nora Quezada habiendo tanto niño abandonado....el amor hace mucha falta ahí, aunque no sea consanguíneo
1 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 15:01

Jonny Malonny La humanidad es un cancer en si misma. Los hijos los tumores.
1 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 14:12

Naty Smijosky vos sos uno bien maligno
7 de septiembre a la(s) 9:40

Alicia Acebal Par mi la mejor es la primera foto.
1 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 11:31

Kimberly Diaz Soledad Rodríguez Ruiz
1 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 11:20

Isabel Ramirez Geronimo Siempre esperamos cosas sorprendentes ... pero es lo que hay en la simpleza de la vida esta lo importante , yo amo tanto ser madre y si no hay nada que se le compare
1 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 10:32

Ariadna Paredes Mmmm!!! Que les paso??? La mayoría son muy malas fotos.
1 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 10:26

Laura Martinez Ana Montes
1 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 10:09

Valeria Blanco Rivas No tengo hijos pero son muy lindas todas las fotos
1 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 9:08

Jorge Lizandro Vilches Vilches Tal vez hayan otras mejores fotos, pero las que hay no dejan de trasmitir el maravilloso regalo que Dios nos ha dado que es la de ser Padres, gracias a quien las ha compartido y le doy gracias a Dios por mi adorada hija y el significado de ser Padre.
1 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 8:59

Clau González Juank Acosta
1 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 8:36

Salvador España Recuerdos!
1 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 8:33

Laura Herrera Obregon Miraa Ana Ma Herrera :')
1 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 8:30

Arthur Torres Samantha Robledo
1 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 8:19

Suss Rouche San Rocha Ivan Vega
1 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 8:19
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Lau Alvarez Def Ito
1 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 8:16

Gabi Velis El vínculo de madre o padre con sus crías es único, pero el amor hacia los niños y las niñas no es exclusivo. La experiencia del amor es un regalo universal.
3 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 11:50

AnGie LezaVegaa R Padrisimo!!
9 de septiembre a la(s) 7:31

Cordano Flavia Tener hijos es lo máximo, claro, sólo si los tienes podrás saberlo. No tenerlos es cosa personal y opcional, también lo es ofenderse por un articulo obviamente pensado para quienes lo sentimos así y podemos decir de qué se trata, las fotos eran fomes... en la mayoría no sentí ese vínculo que si tengo con mis pequeños
8 de septiembre a la(s) 6:40

Veronica Aracena Estay Súper 'emotiva' la imaginen de los padres comiendo mientras la hija en su mundo en celular
8 de septiembre a la(s) 5:33

Carmen Lipari !Bellísimo !!!
7 de septiembre a la(s) 14:56

Claudio Morrone Nada pasa si no tenes hijos , verdad. Pero tenerlos te convierte en otro ser. Y ser padre , me ha completado como ser responsable. Hermosas las fotos, "rasquemos" más en ésto de la paternidad , nos queda mucho por aprender.
7 de septiembre a la(s) 14:28 · Editado

Mirta Gonzalez BUENISIMO.
7 de septiembre a la(s) 13:58

Laura Lucas Zoilo No ai amor mas puro que el de una madre por un hijo o mascota se pueden querer a los dos igual porque ese es un amor incondicional
7 de septiembre a la(s) 12:41

Laura Lucas Zoilo Pues yo tengo un gatito y mi mayor deseo es ser mama invadirme de esa felicidad ahora no.porque soy muy joven y no tengo algo estable ni trabajo ni casa ni pareja pero cuando cojo un bebe me puerdo en su mirada y me sale ese instinto maternal yo no des...Ver más
7 de septiembre a la(s) 12:40

Alejandra Salas Yo tengo gatos, todos adoptados de la calle, si fuera a tener un hijo sería adoptado... hijos propios, no me interesa la idea, gracias. La sensación de plenitud que tengo en este lapso de mi vida debe ser bastaaaaaaaaaaante similar a la gente que tiene hijos y sí se dedica a ellos y no hace de las vidas suyas y del resto un infierno.
7 de septiembre a la(s) 12:14

Lilia Ordoñez Algunos momentos de los muchos!
7 de septiembre a la(s) 12:13

Monica Flores Así es amor!! Lo más importante y bello de la vida son ustedes!
1 · 7 de septiembre a la(s) 11:41

Desi Herreros Nadie k sea madre y o padreeeeno es mi caso yo soy madre el padre se largo....puede despreciar a hijos ,d nadie ,ser madre es la mejor experiencia, para una mujer,y lo mas grande sus hijos,lo contrario ,es no saber k si Dios no t los da es por algo.
7 de septiembre a la(s) 10:22

Desi Herreros El amor por un hijo es eterno, pase lo k pase.
7 de septiembre a la(s) 10:17

Milcíades Olivares Definitivamente la mejor experiencia del mundo
7 de septiembre a la(s) 10:04

Paul Torres Es verdad, estoy muy contento con mis hijos. No tengo palabras para describir cuanto los amo!!!
Son mi razón de vida, mi tesoro más valioso
7 de septiembre a la(s) 7:32

Graciela Rivarola Asi mismo es. Eso es lo que yo siempre dijo.
7 de septiembre a la(s) 7:27

Yasmin Vásquez Don ivan perdonnnn oscar
7 de septiembre a la(s) 6:46

Majito Ló Amor
7 de septiembre a la(s) 6:32

Anaid Lara es lo más importante si decides tenerlos, si, es una experiencia incomparable y es para siempre...
7 de septiembre a la(s) 6:24

Fabian Rojas C Todas excepto 1 son muy lindas
7 de septiembre a la(s) 6:20

Freddie Morrabal Tener un hijo es una bendicion de Dios hay quien quiera tenerlo y no lo tienen aunque los hijos son prestado y los ninos son de Dios.
1 · 7 de septiembre a la(s) 5:22

Ana V. Medina Bello!
7 de septiembre a la(s) 4:59

Annita Perez He leido cada comentario aquí acaso por tener hijos no se puede desarrollar profesionalmente y ser exitosos en otros ámbitos? Por favor.... tengo un hijo y soy profesional. Se puede ser ambas cosas. No cambiaría mi vida actual por nada del mundo. No me veo sin hijos siento que es una parte vital para mi. Claro hay mujeres a las cuales el instinto maternal no se le da muy bien y bueno toman esa decisión y se les respeta pero creanme que luego, al pasar de los años les pesa. AMO A MI PRINCIPE DIEGO, ES LO MAS BELLO Y MARAVILLOSO QUE ME HA PASADO.
7 de septiembre a la(s) 1:36

Rebeca Pimentel No creo, pero lo que yo he vivido no lo cambiaría por nada del mundo, a pesar de. Que no es fácil, el sentir su compañía no se compara con nada, aún que no estén a tu lado sabes que es real su cariño.
6 de septiembre a la(s) 22:51

Rebeca Pimentel Aquí está la mía
Foto de Rebeca Pimentel.
6 de septiembre a la(s) 22:48

Rene Alejandro Torres Sepulveda Lo mas lindo q ocurre en nuestras vidas es la creacion de los hijos...grs a la vida por haberme dado dos hijas preciosas y muy queridas...
6 de septiembre a la(s) 21:17

Maiby Colmenarez Ser buen padre o madre no se aprende en los libros, es experiencia de vida, es dedicar tiempo y esfuerzo dia a dia a formar seres humanos llenos de todo el amor y control que puede haber, nadie esta preparado para eso, eso te lo enseña la vida, y decidir ser feliz o no con los hijos es decision de uno,con cada accion, como todo en esta vida o te hechas a morir o luchas por una mejor vida dia a dia, Padres Felices crian hijos felices, es un lazo indestructible nunca se deja de ser madre o padre, tiene sus sacrificios pero tambien sus alegrias, aprendes a madurar enormemente, yo doy gracias a dios por mis hijos los amo.
1 · 6 de septiembre a la(s) 20:46

Paola Fernández Mau Vs
6 de septiembre a la(s) 20:35

Erika Sanchez Hablado de las imagenes...creo que falto mucho para plasmar ese significado de padres e hijos
6 de septiembre a la(s) 20:32

Carlos Alberto Nihoul Absoluta mentira!!!!!
6 de septiembre a la(s) 19:59

Margarita Dubo Ortega Camila Camila Cortés Monárdez
6 de septiembre a la(s) 19:07

Olga Laura Cerdá 8 y 35 hermosas
6 de septiembre a la(s) 17:09

Martha Pérez para mi siempre serán una bendición, mis pequeños traviesos y lo que mas quiero en este mundo!!!
6 de septiembre a la(s) 14:38

Patricia Alvarez Barreras tonteria de fotos
6 de septiembre a la(s) 14:14

Jose Gonzalez Que hipocresía x favor ..ya esta bien con tanta chorrada de x ser gay hay k adoptar para ser feliz .yo siendo gay estoy un poco harto k nos discriminen a los k se las trae floja tener un niño o no
6 de septiembre a la(s) 13:28 · Editado

Eli H Pasolini si no te gusta el articulo andate
6 de septiembre a la(s) 15:25

Marc Flix Hace poco se hablaba de que tener hijos era algo mas que legitimo, y este titulo??
6 de septiembre a la(s) 13:03

Eli H Pasolini solo son opciones
6 de septiembre a la(s) 15:26 · Editado

Alvaro Greene Y así es.
6 de septiembre a la(s) 12:32

Paty Contreras Baeza Nah!
6 de septiembre a la(s) 11:37

Isys Jazmyn emociones
6 de septiembre a la(s) 10:56

Carolina Andrea Dufault Y dale con los gays!
6 de septiembre a la(s) 10:46

MArce Enriquez AnGie LezaVegaa R
6 de septiembre a la(s) 9:58

Shina Franco Son los que más amo Grecia Aguilar Franco y Omar Aguilar Franco
6 de septiembre a la(s) 9:27

Laura RodIn Nada con estas fotos....comunes..
6 de septiembre a la(s) 9:26

Xime Na Jammes Jaime
6 de septiembre a la(s) 9:11

Edith Arellano Muñoz Tener un hijo recambia la vida totalmente son de esas experiencias que
6 de septiembre a la(s) 9:03

Omar Aguilar Franco Shina Franco muestrale a mi papá
6 de septiembre a la(s) 9:01

Erica Ratcliffe Gr
6 de septiembre a la(s) 8:44

Nicolle Miranda Tashira Marie
6 de septiembre a la(s) 8:42

Josep Brillas de Moya Es muy bonito
6 de septiembre a la(s) 8:40

Mercedes Hlj la número 12 es mi favorita :'3
6 de septiembre a la(s) 8:29

Tejidos Kiñerun Rodolfo Sánchez Meyer
6 de septiembre a la(s) 8:24

Carmen Lisseth Vilma Elias
6 de septiembre a la(s) 8:17

Asuntita Paca Qué lindo ver estas fotos!!!
6 de septiembre a la(s) 8:15
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Life is a lot like Monopoly. You know why? At the end of the day, it’s only a game!
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The most powerful move in Monopoly isn’t mentioned in the rulebook.

It’s the moment when you realise it’s all just a game. The money’s made up, the lines on the board are made up and your identity’s made up. It’s all made up!

You remember at any time you can walk away from the game and there’s a big wide world to explore that you’d forgotten even existed while you were fixated on every role of the dice.

A typical game of Monopoly plays out like this…

In the game of Monopoly, the powerful player who has locked down the board only remains powerful while the other players stay fixed on the game.

Every time the dice is thrown, the weaker players grimace, cringe, sigh and shrug as their “life” gets tougher and tougher. The powerful player giggles, laughs, scoffs and puffs with pride as he watches his fortunes grow.

But then it happens, as it always does, the weaker players say, “You know what, I’m done, I’m not playing this game anymore – you win – I’m walking away.” At that moment, the spell is broken and all the power shifts.

Suddenly, the strong player begs for the game to continue, the weak player sheds their feelings of hopelessness and becomes capable, intelligent and empowered once again.

Are we all just playing one big game of Monopoly?

The same is true for life. The moment you realise it’s all just a game, you are free to play it however you like. As soon as you see the world for what it really is – a system set up by people no more intelligent than you – then you can begin to set up your own systems.

Recently I drove out of New York through the industrial wastelands of Jersey; I was heading down to Philadelphia to see a friend before flying on to Florida. I stopped at a gas station and looked at the faces around me.

A woman stood zombiefied behind a counter staring up at a screen, a man stared lifelessly into his coffee cup, two people droned on in conversation about some sporting team they worshiped and a few others milled around like empty bottles waiting for collection.

The scene was depressing to say the least and yet totally avoidable.

Ask any of these people why they don’t just jump on a plane and move somewhere nicer and they would say, “I can’t, I have bills, I have a boss, I have family and friends here, I don’t have enough reserves…” Basically, “I have to get past GO and collect my 200 bucks.″

The game is real to them, they are stuck playing with unlucky dice. They are free to move, explore, learn, thrive… to get up from the board-game and change things but don’t know it.

Now it’s easy to see this in a group of truck-stop unfortunates, but can you see it in yourself?

What are the unspoken rules of the game you’re living by? What would you love to walk away from if only you dared? Where would you love to go? What game would you play if you weren’t playing the one you’re in? Would you like to play the same game but as the top-hat rather than the little dog?

If you released yourself from your current “game” what would come next? Think about it…

Daniel Priestley is a successful entrepreneur, event producer and author of ‘Become a Key Person of Influence
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